Move Over, Rose

For the 20 years since the release of the Oscar winning film Titanic, folks have been asking the same question.

If Rose had moved over, could Jack have fit onto that piece of wood and been saved from a tragic death in the icy Atlantic ?

Director James Cameron, Leo DiCaprio, Kate Winslet.

Actress Kate Winslet recently admitted “I think he could actually have fit on that bit of door.”

A conclusive test of this theory was conducted in 2012 by Discovery TV’s Mythbusters, who recreated the conditions and proved that there was indeed enough room, and the two much-loved characters would have survived the 63 minutes until the small rescue boat arrived.

I was surprised to find out that it was not actually a door, but a replica of an ornate rococo panel that hung over a door in the first class lounge aboard Titanic.

Courtesy. Maritime Museum.

It was rescued from the sea and is on exhibit at the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic, Nova Scotia. The actual wood piece will go display in England for the first time in 2018.

When confronted with the scientific evidence of the possibility, director Cameron responded “Jack died for art, not physics.”




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76 Responses to Move Over, Rose

  1. The V Pub says:

    Poor Jack! And Cameron could care less!

  2. Van, if I had anything to do with that script, I would have had Rose move over. But then again that would have lessened the drama. ๐Ÿ˜’

  3. I loved Jack but it would have detracted from the story if he had lived and it was an impossible love story with the class structure of the day.

    • Interesting, Robbie. I wonder about that class structure, she was a socialite from Philadelphia, but it seems that the climb was a struggle, if you listen to her mother’s worries in the story. So…maybe ??? Thanks for the perspective.

    • Aimer Boyz says:

      Hi, Robbie;
      So Jack had to go because it wouldn’t have worked between them…hmmm, never thought of it from a class divide angle.
      Mind you, romances are full of that kind of thing, Cinderella stories. Of course, in those stories it’s the man who’s upper crust. The woman is the maid.
      I bet if it was the other way around, and Jack was a Jane, they both would have survived ๐Ÿ™‚

  4. Poor Jack. So many tears shed unnecessarily ๐Ÿ˜‰

  5. Aimer Boyz says:

    Great movie, but I could only watch it once.Too sad ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    Have to say, really liked the way you put this post together. Starting with “Inquiring Minds Want to Know.” Nice. I’m taking notes ๐Ÿ™‚

  6. George says:

    And I guess Rose threw away that priceless piece of jewelry for art instead of giving it to her granddaughter who could have lived happily ever after??..:)

    • Yep, many of us took issue with that scene, George. A lot more romantic than practical. Hard to believe that she never needed its cash value in her own life ? Or maybe, could have donated it to a museum, turned it over to Bill Paxton’s crew of researchers, etc. etc.

  7. C.E.Robinson says:

    Van, love the way you dig up interesting information for your posts. A very clever mind! I thought about the movie and agree Jack died for art. It was a dramatic last act. The necklace thrown away was a surprise, however another not to be forgotten scene. Don’t we remember and mull over tragic more than happy endings? Happy Weekend! ๐Ÿ˜Š Christine

    • Oh, that mulling over…you are so right, Christine. Drama always works. It came up for me because they are re-releasing the film in theaters to honor the 20th anniversary. Thanks.

  8. Well, Jack WAS an artist…so it’s only fitting that he died for art instead of physics.

    But I, too, took great exception to Rose holding on to that necklace for all these years. She walked away from her family and the socialite world, becoming one of the great unwashed mass prior to the big crash of 29 & the subsequent Great Depression. Even selling that bauble at a fraction of its worth would have insured her family (if she’d gotten that far) survived one of the most difficult and depressing times to be alive in the states.

    • Of course, he was a sort of “starving artist”, great connection there, Peg. Thanks. And I do agree about the necklace and the pending Great Depression…it makes you wonder ??

  9. colinandray says:

    What an interesting and thought provoking perspective! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • I remember a lot of jokes about him fitting on that piece of wood just after the film’s release. I didn’t know how many folks were trying to prove that it might have happened differently. Thanks, Colin.

  10. Val Boyko says:

    Interesting post Van! I’ve never watched the movie … or any other where I knew before hand that there will be love and loss. Bambi took such a toll on my tender young heart. (Seriously!)

  11. DGGYST says:

    Haha! I remember shouting in my head “MOVE OVER ROSE!” during that movie. But if she had spared a square the film wouldn’t have grossed a billion dollars lol

  12. Ha ha ha. I love the last line. Poor Jack, sacrificed for plot, not love. ๐Ÿ™‚

  13. Ally Bean says:

    Man-oh-man, people have been worrying about a fictional character’s survival in one of the most over-rated [imho] movies ever? Oh my, just let Jack go– and get on with your lives. ๐Ÿ™„

  14. Ha ha! That bit of the film always annoyed me. I actually found the whole romance plot and framing narrative annoying generally. I would have liked for neither of them to fit on the bit of wood. I have seen the film twice (once in the cinema when it was first released and one time on TV) because I love disaster movies but when I watched it on TV I fast forwarded from the beginning to when the iceberg hit.

  15. dweezer19 says:

    I think he could have been saved and died later on in some other tragic accident. But then I would not likely have seen it twice. At theaters. And bought posters. And the movie. ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿค”I always thought he gave up too quickly. All that back seat action must have sapped his energy. ๐Ÿ˜‚Cameron, the heartless fiend…..

  16. Running Elk says:

    Jack dies? Like. Spoiler alert… :p ๐Ÿ˜€

  17. Mandi Em says:

    When Jack died my heart broke for the first time hahaha

  18. Wow what a sacrifice art over life! Wonderful Van!

  19. joey says:

    What could have been is such a romantic gesture โค

  20. Ron Walker says:

    They would have had to pry me off that piece of wood. After all, a gentleman always holds the door for a lady. Or at least a piece of one.

  21. mike2all says:

    Dying for art not physics. Great. Good post.

  22. I enjoyed this, Van. The persisting reactions of people to things like this movie are fascinating. Great comeback from Cameron. I admit a tendency toward impatience when people try to apply physics to my fantasy stories.

  23. J.D. Riso says:

    Hahaha. I love how you find these obscure pop culture tidbits, Van.

  24. I finally watched the whole flick the other night and it was pretty heart breaking. Love that Myth Busters addressed it but poor Jack!–FACE PALM–If only they’d thought of that!

  25. Ann Koplow says:

    Here’s what I saw on the Stephen Colbert show this week:

  26. Sounds like Jack died for a glitch on the part of writer or director. Wow, Kate looks quite older than when I last saw her. Sigh. Don’t we all.

    • Funny you should mention that…I thought she looked like a grown woman in that film, and Leo…more like a 15 year old boy. They didn’t seem like a match to me.

      • I saw it as you did, as far as they went. Totally unmatched, not only in height but size. I was commenting on her in relation to her younger self. She certainly looks older. But that only means we all do!

  27. So funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always turn off the movie before they get to the part in the water. I like to pretend there’s a happy ending.

    • I found that the music really got to me, the Celtic sounds, the string quartet on deck, and the hint of that Celine Dion song that was woven throughout. Going in, we all knew how it ended, still… I like your idea !

  28. The truth is out there. Thank goodness for Stephen Colbertโ€”otherwise, Kate Winslet might never have owned up to being the cause of Jack’s demise! How does she sleep at night I wanna know? ๐Ÿ˜€

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